Episode 33: The Tale of Two Natural Sensitives Moving to the Country & Back Again - Learn How to Trust Your Body to Make Big Life Decisions
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Episode 33 Season 3
Are you conscious of the slightest subtleties in others? Are you a lover of quiet downtime? Are you attuned to the details of your environment? Are you most at peace when there is no pressure? And are you deeply affected by nature, music, stories, food, and other forms of art? And have you also been this way for as long as you can?
If yes, then it's quite possible that you are a Natural Sensitive, like me, commonly referred to as a highly sensitive person. A Natural Sensitive is simply someone whose sensitivity is innate, healthy, and a gift to everyone it touches. Welcome to the Naturally Sensitive podcast, a show for the holistically minded, natural sensitive.
Here we talk all things sensitive and natural. My name is Jesse Michelle Agadoni, and I am your naturally sensitive health guide and. My purpose in this lifetime is to help you cultivate a beautiful, rich life void of constant overwhelm, anxiety, depression, autoimmunity, or any other imbalance that could prevent you from having the impact I believe you are called to have on this world, my functional healthcare practice, me floor wellness, and my unique method teaches Natural Sensitives like you, how to build sustainable health by honoring their natural sensitivity. I created this space as a free resource to share what I've learned through my own life, and also had the honor of witnessing in the lives of my sensitive clients. I do this because I truly believe that if all Natural Sensitives have the support to live as their unique body's request, this world could be a much more beautiful and peaceful place.
So today we will take yet another step towards creating this healing reality together. Let's dive in.
Jessi: Guys, welcome in. I have Kyra here and I am just so excited to get started with this conversation. If you tuned in, as I said in the intro to our last conversation, she left us with a cliffhanger about her move to a gorgeous isolated island, and I was dying to learn more. So I begged her to come back on the podcast because we just have to talk about this, this dream that we all have of moving out to, whether it's the forest or the prairies or the island, whatever beautiful nature filled, isolated place that is calling you.
Jessi: Uh, both Kyra and I have kind of done that, and I wanted to have sort of an open-ended conversation between the two of us of what. That actually looks like, and the reality, like the pros and maybe some of the hardships that are there, um, that we didn't, neither of us expected, um, but also, you know, some of the beautiful things to it and just the overall process.
Jessi: So Kyra, welcome on. So glad to have you back.
Kyra: Thank you so much for inviting me back. Um, this is a conversation that I have been wanting to have just generally. Um, and so when you sort of sent me a message about wanting to talk about this, coming back on, um, and then wanting to talk about this specifically, I was so excited because I've, you know, I've written an article about it, but other than that, there hasn't really been a, a venue, um, For it, for this discussion.
Kyra: So I'm, I'm super happy to be having it because I feel like, um, there's sort of this cultural or societal expectation or mold, um, for settling down and staying in one place. Hmm. And there isn't a lot of, um, understanding around or, um, there's no sort of system or mold or, um, example that we have for people sort of moving around and not being okay.
Kyra: And so I think if you are someone who's trying new things and you're somewhat of a restless spirit, it can kind of feel like a lonely place and a lot of self-doubt because there's nobody talking about what that journey looks
Jessi: like. Mm. Such a good point. Yeah. And as, as sensitives as introverts, like we we're dreamers, you know, we have big visions and we also are.
Jessi: Somewhat particular, a little bit, a little bit. Uh, and so we really care about our environment. And if we grew up in a place that just didn't resonate, it's, it's almost necessary that we move, like we're, you know, un again, unless we live in like the perfect environment, we have to move. Like, we have to find a better environment for ourselves.
Jessi: Um, and it's, it's a really beautiful journey, but it can be challenging because we are so particular, you know, I know for myself, I tend to, I'm very, uh, idealistic is the word I would use. And I just like create this beautiful picture in my mind of a place. And then I kinda lock in on that picture, whether it's reality or not, and get really excited about it.
Jessi: And then when I go, or when I experience it, I'm like, oh, okay, this is, this is raw real life and it's not quite what I was expecting. And sometimes I do get blown away by certain things that I didn't expect, and it's usually the things that I did expect that don't go the way that I intended. Mm-hmm. So I, you know, it in some ways it balances it out, but, um, when it comes to moving and finding a new location, like that's such a big process.
Jessi: It's huge. Like your whole life is relocating and it's, especially nowadays where, like you said, like not too many people do that you kind of just sort of stay in the same general area you're in. Um, and especially in the last few years, like nobody's moving. Right. Everyone's, um, well I guess I shouldn't say that.
Jessi: A lot of people are moving out of the cities into the suburbs. Um, but then it's like once you've moved, you're kind of like sort of stuck there for a bit cuz of just everything that's going on in the world. But, oh, and the article that you mentioned for those that, um, are new in Kira, wrote this beautiful article.
Jessi: It was for Introvert Dear, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Wonderful website by the way, for anyone that, um, resonates with the label of introvert, uh, all about her move and process. So definitely read that as well. We'll link it below in the show notes, but let's get started a little bit with your story. Kind of tell us how you went on this journey and walk us through it and then we'll dive in and ask questions and get into the nitty gritty of it.
Jessi: Yeah.
Kyra: So it's a funny question cuz I wonder how far back to go, right? Um, however
Jessi: far you feel. Yeah. Yeah.
Kyra: So I'm, I'm born and raised in Toronto and Toronto, Canada, Canada's largest city. And so I'm a real city girl. Um, I met my husband. On a weekend trip to Calgary and in a whirlwind kind of thing, I was just like, I'm just gonna move in with you.
Kyra: So then I moved across the country to Calgary. We were living there for five years. And then, um, we had our child there and eventually moved back to Toronto. I, Calgary wasn't a great fit for me and I wanted to be close to family and et cetera. So we moved back to Toronto. But as it turns out, my husband is like a super country mouse and just hates Toronto.
Kyra: Like, it was like, it's not just a, just about hating Toronto. It's like, it was like taking a salt water fish and putting them in a lake. Like he was just, he could not survive in that environment. And there was a lot of good that came out of that because, Being a large city, there were like huge, um, career opportunities for him.
Kyra: So there was a balance. But at some point after sort of having been there, done that with the career thing, he was like, I, I can't live here anymore. So we were looking for someplace else to go and I just said, you know what? I'm open to anywhere provided that we can find a really great school. Mm. Right.
Kyra: And we wound up finding an outdoor elementary school program, a forest school that was in the same area where my family had a cottage growing up. So a few hours north of the city and we went to the place, we did a tour of the school. It was. Too good to be true is how I would describe it in every sense of the word.
Kyra: It was there were children being pulled on sleds through the snow to collect maple syrup. Oh my gosh. They were having hot chocolate over a bonfire outside. Like it was just, it was magic. And the principal was like, we're just this big homeschool. It's like everybody is family here. And there were only 40 students in a pre-K to eight school, so it was like extremely small class sizes.
Kyra: And coming from Toronto where the classes were just brimming with children mm-hmm. We were like, oh my gosh, okay, we have to, we gotta do it. Well we have to do it right. We have to like, this seems perfect. So, um, we sold everything that we possibly could and um, like cashed in any investments and et cetera, and did whatever we could to be able to afford tuition.
Kyra: And we dropped everything and moved up north. Wow. And. The first little bit. We moved in the summer, so it was cottage season and it was just blissful. Right. And of course, uh, Muskoka is the name of the area. Muskoka is full of Toronto people in the summer. So I was like, this is amazing. Like the people are cool.
Kyra: It's like we're just outside all the time. Everybody's on their dock, on the water. It's amazing. And then, um, people close their cottages and we got a little bit of the local, local flavor. And uh, the more time that we spent there, the more that we realized that, and especially as a highly sensitive person, you're very in tune with the vibe of the place that you're in.
Kyra: Yeah. And that can be environmental and that can also be from the people. And unfortunately, it's a very hateful place, Ms. Koka, it's a very hateful, fearful place. That's the vibration of the people there. Um, people are very much, uh, They don't like outsiders, they don't like people who aren't born and raised there, and they especially hate people from Toronto.
Kyra: Oh, wow. So that didn't really bode well for us at the school that we were sort of hanging. We were like, even if we don't like anyone else, at least it's a great school. Well, as it turns out, the only other sort of friend option for our child, um, was a, uh, like just a horrible mean girl. And her mom and her sister both worked at the school, so there was no repercussion.
Kyra: Oh. So my, my child, Juniper was in a situation where, um, You know in the movie the Disney movie Lady in the Tramp, yeah. Where those Siamese cats are always like knocking things over and then blaming it on lady. It was like that situation for Juniper all the time. Like this horrible girl was just making it look like she hadn't done anything but it was on Juniper.
Kyra: It was awful and there was no repercussion, but there was no repercussion for the girl and there was no recourse for us because, oh man, it's people who work at the school. So, um, yeah, I mean it just got progressively worse. Um, I mean, I could share any number of crazy stories. Like I was literally, I was giving blood at one point cuz I thought like, I wanna be part of this community.
Kyra: So I literally went to give blood and I was sitting in the chair with the needle in my arm and the nurse turns to me and says, you don't belong here. No, she actually said that to you. I'm, you know, you're kind of turned upside down. So that you're like, I'm immobile. Yeah. And she whispered it to me, looking right at me, and I was like, she doesn't even know that I like, how do you even sense that I'm not from here?
Kyra: She said, look behind. You see all those people lined up. They all belong here. They're here donating blood in the name of somebody from the community who just passed away. What are you here for? Oh my gosh. Wow. Wow. That's, I mean, I could share dozens of stories of what this town is like. Okay,
Jessi: so at what point were you guys like, and we're
Kyra: out.
Kyra: So then the pandemic, so what happened was, oh, right. Things erupted at the school. Mm-hmm. We pulled Juniper out in January of 2020. Oh my gosh. We put Juniper in a, in a public school actually for a month. And it was actually a really good situation and they made a bunch of friends right away. Um, and then March came and everything shut down.
Kyra: Oh my gosh. So we were sort of at the point where we had started planning another cross-country move and then the pandemic hit. Now as it turns out, if you're gonna ride out a pandemic, a cabin in the woods is like a pretty decent, it's not a bad idea place. As I mentioned in my article too, I should also say during that, that time, the first little bit that we were there, we had like our well ran dry, so we didn't have any running water for three weeks.
Kyra: Like no toilets, no sink, like nothing, no showers. Um, we had a flood that damaged a bunch of our furniture. Um, the first winter that we were there, we didn't have a heat source, so it was like nine degrees Celsius inside our house. We had been told that the heat source was really solid and it wasn't.
Kyra: Anyway, things like that with the locals too, where you have to, we found out the hard way that you have to tell when you're buying firewood. You have to tell them that you want dry wood because they'll just take advantage of the people who aren't from there and sell you wet. Oh, a season's worth of wet wood is what we got.
Jessi: Wow. Yeah. Oh my. And that takes like months to dry out, doesn't it? Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. Wow. Wow.
Kyra: Yeah, so we, so it wasn't for us.
Jessi: I mean, is it for anyone that's, that's insane. That's like, that's like out of a movie, Kara. Mm-hmm. That's, that's crazy. Wow. Yeah. You're gonna have to write a book about this someday.
Jessi: That's just
Kyra: nuts. I have actually written a memoir about the experience, and it's one of those things where, and I'm, you and I, you and I have touched on this idea already about this topic. It's like, how far away from an experience do you need to be in order to talk about it? And is it okay to talk about it when you're in the middle of understanding what it was?
Kyra: And as of right now, the draft, like I have a third draft of this memoir, and it's still a bit like it's too fresh. Too close. Yeah, it's too fresh. I feel like I have to have an understanding fully of what the next phase was afterwards, before writing it down. But uh, It's also like, I definitely hope that it'll be released at some point.
Kyra: Yeah.
Jessi: And there's even a little bit of P T S D. Like, I, I feel like my, my ability to trust people, my ability to even trust myself would feel really weak after something like that.
Kyra: Absolutely. Yeah. I think, um, not to jump ahead in the storyline, but we, we wrote out the, the pandemic there and then basically as soon as we could get out, we left and move back across the country.
Kyra: And now we're living, um, I literally did like a political map of Canada to figure out who votes in what direction in, and like, I was like, who are the most progressive left-leaning people in the country? And let me move there because after being in the pandemic with all of these anti-vax people and not like, no, you know, no hate, but just that sort of came with a lot of people who were also racist and homophobic and it was a whole thing, right?
Kyra: Mm-hmm. Um, attached to that part of the world that we were living in. So we chose this super progressive island to move to, and now I'm in this place where there is not only. No longer a vibration of fear where I'm living, but there's a vibration of love and joy and happiness where I'm living. People will look you in the eye and give you the most genuine smile when you're passing them on the sidewalk.
Kyra: People are just like kind and like wanting to help other people and very accepting. Mm-hmm. And to speak to the P T S D part. Yeah. It's like I really want to be able to enjoy it, but I'm like, why are you being so nice to me right now? Like what's, that's your motive.
Jessi: Exactly. That would be hard to trust people again.
Jessi: Yeah. That would be, Hmm. That would be hard. That'd be so hard. I know. It's like, especially being in a new place where you don't have any connections and then the world was just bonkers the last few years. Like just people's worst sides came out. Um, and. Yeah, especially if, if there's like opposing views on different things and everyone was just so fearful.
Jessi: So fearful. So I, I can imagine how that would've been really enhanced during that time. And I'm so glad that you're at least in a place where you feel there's a lot more compassion and love and just genuine humanness and openness and availability to make connection, like that's so important. Like, ugh, regardless of views, I think at the human level, like we need to be able to smile at each other and be open and accepting, like, that's so
Kyra: critical.
Kyra: Yeah. And I, I also wanna take a minute to ask you about your experience. I don't know to what extent you've spoken about it on the podcast yet, but I know we're having this conversation because oddly there's some alignment between what you experienced and what I experienced.
Jessi: Yeah. Yeah. That's so funny.
Jessi: So when you were. I think it was when you were first telling your story to me, I was like, oh my gosh, that's so hilarious. Because we actually, ours was, I do have some, um, conclusions around it. I haven't fully processed it, but I, I do feel, and I have shared on the podcast a bit, I wish, I think I, yeah, I definitely shared a bit about it, but for us, our move was totally 80% an emotional reaction to what was going on, um, during 2020.
Jessi: So, uh, for me, I felt similar in that our community was, uh, not very accepting of alternative views and it was very intense. Um, and so, and I also, I just, I don't like having a lot of people around me. I don't know. I'm sure there's, you know, other senses are the same way. Like I can feel the emotions of like every single person I can feel their energy, all of that.
Jessi: And the city we were in was very fearful. Mm-hmm. Um, and I just felt that it was so oppressive. So oppressive. And I'm a very, uh, naturally, I'm a very optimistic person. And so for me, I. Really afraid, um, during Covid, but I felt the fear around me and it was just so overwhelming. And, uh, I was like, I'm out.
Jessi: Like I've always, we've always talked and dreamed my husband's like a man of the earth. Like, I don't know else to describe him. He has like this long history of farmers in his blood and so he's just like, he's, I mean, you, you meet him and you wouldn't necessarily think that like he's a surfer and he, I don't know, you know, he went, he's, he lived in the suburbs his whole life by the coast and everything, but he just has this like sturdiness to him that's so grounded and, uh, I didn't un, I didn't realize how deep the, like, obsession with land went for him.
Jessi: Mm-hmm. But we started just kind of talking about moving lightly and, and I was, because of Covid very open to going more inland, which I had never before been, cuz I'm like, I need to see the ocean. I need to smell the ocean. I need to be able to walk to the ocean. That's like the type of person I am. But I was just so done with the coastal communities and what was going on there.
Jessi: Um, and so he's like, well, let's like, you know, check out some of these country areas so inland from us, there's, it's like a total change. You like crossover this one area and then it's like vineyards and horse people and just very like down to earth people. Um, and yeah. And so we, for us we're like, we just want space.
Jessi: Like we don't even really care about political views. Like we just want space. So that regardless of how people feel about things, like it doesn't impact us. That's kinda where we're at. Totally. We just like, don't wanna be a part of this. Uh, so we went out there and we found this, um, piece of property that blew my mind away because my understanding of inland here in California, it's like the coastlines are gorgeous, but as soon as you go inland, it's like another state.
Jessi: It's deserty. It's. No offense to anyone that lives inland, but like I, I had very strong feelings of not wanting to go there. Um, I'm not a desert person. I really struggle to see the beauty of it. Like, it's just not for me. Like, I need water, I need green, I need blue. Like I need a lot of those kinds of colors.
Jessi: But this one little house, um, was just amazing. It was on this like one acre prop, or actually an acre and a half property, and it had all these gorgeous old oak trees and it was, uh, it was in January, but or February. So it was very green cuz a lot of rain had come in. So the ground was covered with all these clovers.
Jessi: It was, it looked like a meadow. I was like, what? Like, this is here. And so I, you know, I felt very expanded and I was like, well, if this is what it looks like, I can totally do this. Um, so my husband's like, yes. You know, my god, her. So we put an offer on, it was like a really fast thing. We did it in like 24 hours, which now I'm like, I'm in, in, so in human design, I'm an, I'm an emotional authority, so I should be never too, never, never, never, never, never make a decision that fast.
Jessi: My husband is a generator so he can do a gut response, but he and I weren't on the same page. And, you know, it needs to be a partnership decision. So it was a very stressful experience. And now I know why, because we weren't, well, maybe we were, but I, it wasn't in alignment with my authority. So we purchased the land.
Jessi: Um, we had tons of inspectors walk through the house. We thought we were good. We moved in and in three months I was super sick, like super, super, super sick. And I, we found out that we had basically the house that had tons of just old water damage that wasn't, you couldn't really see it. It was like in the roof and different things like that.
Jessi: Um, and so long story short, we had to leave because I couldn't. I was so sick and my husband actually ended up being really sick as well. He's just such a grounded person, you would never know. Mm-hmm. But we tested him and he was actually worse than me. Um, but I'm so sensitive. Like I can't even, like Yeah.
Jessi: Function. Um, and so, yeah, that was really our story there. And as far as like moving to the country, I just felt so depressed. I've never been depressed in my life to my knowledge. And I just felt like my whole body just dropped. And at first I thought it was like, oh, I'm like coming down off the high of being, you know, in the buzzy coastal cities and it's just the quietness and mm-hmm.
Jessi: And so it's like, oh, this is healthy, this is good. But then I was like, I'm just like, I, I just had no motivation. I was so, so sad. I was just like really isolating myself in an unhealthy way. And I'm an introvert and I love alone time, but this was like too much. Mm-hmm. Um, and I think part of it was that I was very, in a very toxic environment, physically, but also there was just like, it was, it was too much.
Jessi: And now I know my human design. I'm a valley, so I need to be, I need to have like one foot in to the activity and one foot out. And this was like way too far for me. Like the dream of living under the trees in a meadow near horse. We had horses across from us. I mean, there was so many things. There's a vineyard across the way.
Jessi: Like it was gorgeous, you know, but I was just so like, so. I just missed the ocean and this is me being such a baby. It was a 30 minute drive ky, like it wasn't that far, let's be honest, but I'm such an ocean baby that like it wasn't in the air. I couldn't smell it, and I just got so depressed. I like never drove to the ocean and I had to drive through my old hometown, which wasn't a good thing for me.
Jessi: I have a lot of PTSD about that, so there's just a lot of layers that I didn't realize would come into play. And the idea of living in the country, even though on paper it looked so good, it ended up being an absolute like mess for us. Like all these things came for, there were rats. How are they? No, they were rats.
Jessi: Like, like mice and rats that would come into like, under our house. And I'm, I'm like you, I'm like city suburb girl. I'm like, I'm sorry, what? There's rodents like, uh, there were huge ass spiders like everywhere. I'm just, I'm too squeamish. Like that's not, and I didn't wanna like man up. I didn't really want to be that kind of person.
Jessi: My husband and his family, they're that way. They're just like, like my mother-in-law, she's so much stronger than me. Like it's crazy. Like she, she loved that land, so I felt bad for her. No, but I'm just, I came to realize and came to be okay with verbalizing, like, no, this isn't actually me. I don't need to become someone else.
Jessi: Like Jessie in her core is a suburb city girl. Like I don't. I like to be just outside of the city is what I realize and I need to be near the ocean. So we ended up, uh, moving out and lived with our in-laws for a bit, which is a whole story. And then, which actually was really beautiful, but, you know, challenges with that.
Jessi: Yeah. And now we're back by the coast renting and ended up deciding to rent out that house. We like, did a huge remediation and made sure it was safe and healthy. Um, and everyone's like, well why didn't you move back? I'm like, cuz it wasn't for me. It just wasn't. Yeah. Um, not many people understand it.
Jessi: They're like, it's a beautiful house, it's a beautiful area. Um, like it's 30 minutes from the beach. Why can't you just get over that? But it's so important to know what you need and I think environment is so huge for us as sensitives, wouldn't you?
Kyra: Absolutely. Yeah. And I can relate to that, you know, where we were living, um, same thing.
Kyra: Like gorgeous. So beautiful. We were a li little cabin in the woods. Like, uh, we had a view of the lake, so, so pretty. Um, but the winters are extremely hard where we were living, so from like November 1st to April 30th, pretty much there's snow on the ground. There's no leaves on the trees. It's just like you can take a picture in black and white and it looks exactly the same as the actual picture that you take in color.
Kyra: Like there's just no color anywhere. And I felt I could physically feel myself wilting living there. Yeah. Between the people and the environment. In the winter. It was just, I just was like a shadow of myself. So stark. Yeah. So I think that, I think it's true. I think that as sensitive people were. We're very in tune with the environment.
Kyra: Mm-hmm. And therefore, something that isn't a match is going to affect us really strongly. Mm-hmm. And the the awesome part is that then something that is a really great match is going to affect us really strongly. So moving back into a place that's a better match for you is going to be really great. Um, but I think the, sort of, the paradox is that it's also really hard for us to move because we're so
Jessi: sensitive, so damn For us it's so exhausting moving is like, Ugh.
Jessi: It's so hard. Yeah. Yeah.
Kyra: Yeah. And I think we, like I've never lived near the ocean before. The reason that we chose the island is because we, I was like, well, if I'm gonna pick anywhere, you know, obviously the, there was the political aspect and then it was, I really wanna have the experience of living near the ocean.
Kyra: Mm. And um, It's wild. Just, you know, Canada's an enormous country obviously, but like all of the foliage is completely different. Like the birds are different. It's just, I thought, you know, I'm moving within the same country, so how different can it be? And it's, I mean, it is so different here in so many ways, in the best ways.
Kyra: But also that made the transition hard too because it felt I was, I was anticipating it being somewhat familiar and despite the fact that there are like the same grocery stores and the same product, you know, there's still that question mark where you're, you're learning about, about a new environment.
Kyra: And also for us, this move was not the easiest move either. We kind of, during the pandemic, the prices of real estate skyrocketed where we were in rural areas, which was great for us. Um, cuz we were like, okay, well we'll sell high and then we will head on out. And we listed our place and like, this is a bit of a pattern for us, but we listed our place in that same week.
Kyra: Like the economy tanked again. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So it just took forever for us to sell our house. And the end, the vision was like, we're gonna sell our house, we're gonna buy a place. School starts in September, we're gonna have everything. We'll be all moved in, we'll have everything's figured out. Perfect.
Kyra: Cause we were starting this process in March. No. So it, it was like in order to sign up at the school, cuz we've, again, we found another great school program for Juniper. This one, a public school with 1500 people so that if you have a problem with one, you've got 1,499 others to choose from. Um, yeah. But you have to have like an address in the catchment in order.
Kyra: So Juniper auditioned and then, you know, we couldn't necessarily sign up until we had an address cuz we couldn't sell the house. It was like, wow, this huge sort of kerfuffle we rented. We finally wound up renting an Airbnb, like a long-term Airbnb. And, um, the day before we, we were set to leave, like we had our plane tickets, they canceled, um, subsequent months of our booking.
Kyra: So we had a place where we could arrive to, but then we had to immediately, as soon as our feet hit the ground, start finding a place to move into after that. Um, so it was just kind of one thing after the next, you know, we didn't, couldn't sell the house for what we thought we could sell it for. Interest rates are rising.
Kyra: Just this soup of factors that has led us to like still be in a rental place when all I wanna do is just buy our house and like just settle in. Mm-hmm. Oh gosh. Yeah. Um. And so I know you and I were going back and forth cuz you originally wanted to have this conversation like a couple months ago and I was like, no, no, no, let's book it for end of January cuz my life will make sense by the end of January.
Kyra: And, and the unfortunate thing is that I'm like still in basically the same, you know, position. But I, I think that this is a lesson that I, you know, when the universe just forces you to learn a lesson that you don't wanna learn.
Jessi: Oh no. That never happens to me. It hasn't been the last three years of my life at all.
Kyra: Never. Yeah. Oh, so this is, this is the lesson is that, um, you know, you, in order, I think the universe is only going to give me any kind of stability or certainty once I sort of, uh, fully. Like, let go and just open my palm and be like, okay, I'm not actually in control of any of this. I get it. I get it. I'm not the one driving the ship.
Kyra: You know?
Jessi: Yeah. That's a hard, that's a really hard lesson of, and it's also like that balance of, because I, I think this is what I really wanted to talk about is there's so much false reality in our world right now, right? Whether it's social media or even just how people are presented. We don't talk about this messy in between.
Jessi: Like both you and I are renting right now. Like we're, we're far from our ideal of what we want. We're closer, but it's still like, ugh. Like when can I just settle? I just wanna feel relaxed. I wanna feel like everything is under control. I know where I'm headed, things feel settled. Um, but it's this interesting tension that we're currently living in that I think.
Jessi: It's like a, a holding zone for a lesson. It's a holding zone for mm-hmm. Like, we're being refined right now, and sometimes it's hard. I know for me, it's hard to see what's going on when I'm right in the middle of it. Like, I can look back to last year and be like, oh, I'm starting to see why, or I'm starting to see some, at least some reasons for what went down.
Jessi: But like right now, I can't necessarily see why this is happening. You know? I just know it's happening and I'm moving forward and just trying to stay positive. Mm-hmm. But it's, it's, it's hard. It's hard to explain to people too that have observed you. I know you and I are on the same page of like, we're big dreamers.
Jessi: We take big leaps, we go for it. And people around us are going, that's risky. Why are you doing that? Just stay put. Like, don't do that. Um, that's so scary. Now you're making me stressed. I'm fearful for you. Like, can't you just be a normal person, please And no, like, we're here to have adventures. We're here to try things out and.
Jessi: I think that's, that takes a lot of courage, but it also takes, um, some idealism as well. You know, like we're, we're able to see the possibility, but when, when the reality falls short of what we were dreaming, then, then we st I don't know about you, but I start to hear those voices get louder of the people around me and I start to question myself and go, oh my gosh, did, am I just a drama queen?
Jessi: Am I just trying to like, create chaos or, you know, um, stress out my husband or whatever, whatever voice I'm hearing, depending on the person that I let in. And so I think for me it's been a lot of journey of just saying no. Like I'm learning to trust myself regardless of my circumstances, regardless of how my choices end up.
Jessi: Like it's my journey and I'm, of course I own my mistakes. Um, like I don't blame them on anyone else. Um, but I also. I'm coming to be okay with being imperfect, which I think is sensitive. That's a hard one because we we're such analyzers, right? And we feel like we can just outthink it. Like, ah, just strategize.
Jessi: Just a note that it'll go perfectly. Like you just said. Like, okay, we're gonna move it this time, da, everything's just gonna work out. And then it just doesn't, and we kind of get all flustered and we don't know what to do. We get overwhelmed and then we have our meltdowns, and then we like sit there on the ground going, okay, well here I am.
Jessi: What do I do moving forward? And that's the place where I think, God, the universe wants us because we're our own worst enemies with our perfectionism, with our plans. And God's like, I created you to be very analytical and gifted, but it's not for this, it's for other reasons. So I need you to let go here and trust me and uh, and ultimately build up the trust in ourselves that like.
Jessi: For me, I like God's a he. And so, you know, I hear him saying like, I made you to be able to handle this, Jess, like, I made you to be able to walk through this. Um, I don't know why yet. You know, maybe it is to pass on stability to others. Um, or maybe it's just to be an example, you know, I'm here as a six two, so I'm here to embody a lot of shit.
Jessi: Mm-hmm. And walk through stuff and be an example for others and be an inspiration. Um, and that means walking through the fire a lot. But, uh, that's kind of been my biggest takeaway is that like, I now know that I can go through really hellish situations, both physically, emotionally, mentally, relationally, uh, environmentally and come out the other side and be okay.
Jessi: And that's pretty, that's pretty rad conclusion. I don't wanna do it again. I wouldn't voluntarily choose to do that again, but I now know that I can do it. And that's a huge takeaway.
Kyra: Yeah. I think you're, there's so much there. I think. You're absolutely right cuz of the many things that I've learned, one of them is that there's a very good chance that I have been living my life for this end destination of being like, now I'm settled, now I have things figured out.
Kyra: And what if we're just living in cycles and there is no end destination and, the journey just keeps going. Right? And I really had to come to terms with the fact, like we've moved, my husband and I have been together almost 20 years. We've moved every five years, four or five years during that time.
Kyra: Maybe that's just our pattern. maybe we're just gonna always move every five years and can I be okay with that? You know? Um, there's always a reason why we do it, right. So, That's one thing I think also I found really helpful recently. I'm crazy about Martha back. I don't know if you know Martha back at all.
Kyra: Mm. She's amazing. You could read any one of her books and just, you, you can't go wrong. She's Oprah's life coach, if that says anything about how smart she is. But so she has moved around quite a bit, um, as well. And just based on intuition, like I think I need to be here now. I think I need to be there now.
Kyra: I think this feels right. And her wife and she have a podcast together and they were talking about this topic recently and um, her wife, who's also a wonderful writer, Rowan, Megan was saying it's like you. You make the choice to move or to do something different because the culture doesn't fit you and you wanna create something outside the culture that is for you.
Kyra: But then so quickly the culture is so insidious that the thing that you build outside of the culture, you're tempted to make it look as close to the culture as possible. And you start measuring the new thing against the metrics of success of the culture, right? So you start to go, oh, oh yeah, I moved because I don't believe in, you know, the cookie cutter house and the, this life that everybody else has.
Kyra: But then I see my friend who just paid off her mortgage cuz she stayed in the same place for the last 20 years. And you're like, maybe I should have done that.
Jessi: You know? That looks nice.
Kyra: Yeah. So it's easy to start you, you have to sort of take a step back and go like, okay. But there was a sacrifice inherent in making this decision to part ways with the culture.
Kyra: So maybe I can't have it all. You know, can I, can I find ways to nurture myself and give myself a sense of stability in the chaos? A hundred percent. Will that stability look like what the culture has told me it should look like? No, it won't, right? Mm-hmm. The other thing that Martha Beck said was that when you're moving, you have to think of it as if you're like dropping a bouncy ball, like a really squishy, bouncy ball.
Kyra: So you're dropping, dropping, dropping, and then the ball hits and it kind of squishes a little bit, and then it starts to bounce up again. So we think like, we're gonna arrive at the place, we're gonna be like, sweet, I love this place. I'm here to succeed. And then you like, move on forward. No, she's like, for a while you're gonna be in the squish.
Kyra: Right? I love that. You're, you're squishing at the bottom. You're getting ready to building enough, you know, momentum that eventually you can rise back up again. And that's in my hard moments during this move, I've been like, I'm in the squish. I'm just in the squish.
Jessi: Yeah. And the swish can be a while too.
Kyra: It can be. I think she says like a solid year is like a good
Jessi: expectation. That is so good to hear. Yeah, I think I would agree with that. I was actually gonna ask you that, like, how long do you think it takes to really kind of settle into a new place? And there's also the difference between settling into a new place that you know, you're not gonna move for a while.
Jessi: Like you buy a home, you're like, we're here. My kid's going to school, you know, to junior high and high school or whatever for the next time. Or it's like, we're here. We might move in five years. That's, those are two different places, right? Yeah. Very different mindsets. Um, similar like if you're renting versus buying, you know, there's, when you're renting, there's always that like, oh, should I put up those curtains, but I have to take 'em down.
Jessi: Should I add that thing up? But I'm gonna have to take it down, or I'm have to ask permission or, you know, it's very different than buying a home and being like, this is mine. Let's go
Kyra: a hundred percent. Yeah. And again, like as a sensitive person, so we moved to this place where it's just housing is impossible to find.
Kyra: Hmm. And so the place that we're in right now is a long-term Airbnb, like, and Airbnb during the summer, rented to us through the winter. Um, and so like the furniture is in tower. And like my clothes are in some weird dresser, you know? Yeah. And we moved all of our stuff, um, like our, we had a shipping container full of our stuff, so we have our stuff physically in the building and like every now and then, we're just like opening boxes and being like, I remember you old friend, oh, cheat.
Kyra: You know, like, somebody asked me today for a picture of myself, like a childhood picture. I'm like, I don't know where the fuck that is right now. Like, you know, so it's like even another level of, you know, when you're renting a place, normally you at least bring your own furniture in and you have all of your stuff and you're using your own coffee mugs and, you know.
Kyra: Yeah. So it's, that itself has been really disorienting for me. Which again, I think for like my husband who's not a sensitive person is like, whatever, like, doesn't matter. He's the coffee mugs. Like, who cares? He doesn't. But for me, it's like, I'm like, the heck, this is not my bath mat, you know?
Jessi: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jessi: The texture of this is off, the color of this is off. That light doesn't work. It's too bright. I need, yeah, a hundred percent. It's, it's funny because like, I sense in you, like, we're both very adventurous and we do appreciate change, but we wanna be able to control what we're moving out of and what we're moving into.
Jessi: Um, and that's, that's a hard balance to walk, you know? I like, I love traveling, for example, but I hate traveling at the same time. Like, yeah. I, and it's so, it's such gold when you find a place that you're like, oh my gosh, like 80% of this place I love. And I actually feel like I can rest here and be comfortable.
Jessi: I'm not worried about like, the state of the sheets and the air quality and the, you know, like I'm, and I'm, I've got the health nerd too, so I've got like, yeah, yeah. All these layers of, I call it the responsibility of knowledge, but just there's so much to think about. Um, that I could drive myself mad if I go there.
Jessi: Yeah. So it is, it's also like mental strength and control of like almost filtering your own sensitivity of saying like, okay, I know that down the road I would have done this with this space, but I understand I don't have the capacity or the control to do it, so I'm gonna learn to kind of just, I don't know if you do this.
Jessi: I kind of blinder it. Like I just decide I'm not gonna notice it anymore. Like, I just kind of, and I don't always have success with this. I know I'm like overloaded when everything starts to hit me, but when I'm in a good place, I can kind of put like horse blinders on where I'm like, okay, I'm just gonna zero in.
Jessi: I'm gonna make like the house we're in right now. We, we, uh, got rid of all of our furniture from our house. Oh, right. We moved with one piece of furniture and we bought a bed. A desk, a chair, and two stools. That's it. That's what's in our house right now. It's empty. Otherwise, like our neighbors think we're legit insane.
Jessi: Um, but I knew in my heart, as soon as we moved in and a couple, like a couple months in, I was like, oh, we're not staying here. I just knew off the bat, like yeah. Um, we were misled on how healthy this home is. And so I knew we weren't gonna say, so I'm like, I'm not gonna buy furniture. We're gonna toss, like, literally have to toss in six months.
Jessi: So we're moving again in, in literally like two weeks. Uh, but it's, I've had to just make my little nooks, like I have my little desk, I have my, I finally put my curtains. I'm like, okay, just right here. I feel good. I have my candle lit, I have my things, but the rest of my office is baron in boxes, you know?
Jessi: Right. And like, but it's, it's creating those little areas where I'm like, right here in this chair, I can relax and I'm my sensitive self and I'm okay. You know? Or my bed is like, My bed is my other safety zone where I'm just like, I could do everything for my bed. Cause I just feel good there, you know?
Jessi: But the rest of the house is like ridiculous, you know? Yeah. Um, so it, I think the key ha is like finding those places you can kind of ground and root and, and nest in, in a way. Um, but it is, it's like a constant battle to not be like, Ugh, like this, there's so many things I would change or that I need in this moment.
Jessi: But, um, I think that's what does create some resilience, you know, is being able to say like, I know how to navigate these weird tension moments. Um, and that's also how you and I are leaders, you know? Mm-hmm. We, we've been called to lead and to share in the sense of community. And so the best way to lead is walking through it yourself and being like, well, I have some, I have some legit recommendations because I've actually had to do it.
Jessi: Yeah. I've had to survive in it for nine months, a year, whatever. So, I mean, for you as you're in that rental and the furniture's not even yours, like what have you done to really find that place of sanity within it?
Kyra: So for me, it's all about physical comfort in situations like this. Um, I, my logical capacity, one of the lessons that I'm learning during this time, and I, I feel like often the universe backs us into a corner so that we can learn specific lessons.
Kyra: So there are, like, I have a curriculum right now. I'm like, I get it. Okay. This is what I'm supposed to be working on. And one of the things is like my tendency to logic my way through things, as we've talked about is, is not, it doesn't benefit me anymore. Like I need to put it in a box and be like, I will take you out occasionally, but uh, I don't need you right now.
Kyra: Um, because in addition to. Like this is a whole other conversation. I know we're running out of time here, but like professionally, things have changed for me. So much has taken place that I'm like, I don't even think I wanna be doing this thing anymore. Mm-hmm. And this actually feels really good to me.
Kyra: And what does that mean? If I'm not doing this anymore and I'm going back to that thing, or I'm starting something new, like, does that make me flaky? You know? Mm-hmm. But instead, I'm just sort of taking the logic away and just being like, if this feels right right now, then I'm just going with it. And when I get really scared and in my head, I have to provide myself with physical comfort.
Kyra: So that's my number one thing that I've been doing is just how can I comfort myself in this moment? The second thing is that as a writer, I really do try to keep it front of mind that. the wildest parts are gonna be the best, uh, material.
Kyra: Oh, yeah. So you have to sort of like, look straight into it and be like, what am I feeling right now? And take note of that. And even if you can't share it immediately to store it away for later. And so, And I'm sure you're the same way, being so sensitive. A lot of that is just even in h in in the feeling, in the exact feeling of the energy that's taking place.
Kyra: So what I've noticed is that I have this cycle that I go through where things get really intense, energetically for me, and I get incredibly frustrated, almost like a little, little kid who's like, they're almost at that next milestone, but they're, they're not there yet. So they're just like misbehaving.
Kyra: Mm-hmm. And I hate that feeling because I'm like, why can't I just master this thing? The energy gets like frenetic and I have to go through that in order to come out the other side. And when I do, I am so much more confident. I'm so much more brave. I'm so much more resilient. Things calm down, I can finally share again.
Kyra: Um, but you have to go through those a couple of times to realize that you're not just like sitting there forever
Jessi: in it. Yeah. Well, it's that, it's, I think it's our natural, like I'm learning patience is one of my things. Mm-hmm. So when I'm in that holding zone, is what I would call that mm-hmm. Where you're just like, ah, like I'm banging on the door, but it's locked still.
Jessi: Yes. Okay. And you're just holding there. It's almost like a hamster, right. Running around of like, I almost create my own, I wanna feel like I'm moving. Yeah. So I'll just like, kind of almost create my own internal chaos so that it's like, oh, well at least I'm working through something, you know? Mm-hmm.
Jessi: Or like if I Interesting. Bring my emotions. If I really like lean into my emotions. Um, and like, yeah, I think there's like health and unhealth in it. Um, I'm learning to like, to lean into my emotions, so that creates a lot of, you know, experiences. But there also I think is this tendency for me to just kind of, To be honest, to create a little drama inside myself because I'm just like, I can't, another example is I hate driving behind someone on the freeway.
Jessi: Like I just, it just, Hmm. I just, it's, I can't, I just can't do it. And so I'll change lanes a lot just so that like, I'm not driving behind someone and I'm not getting there any faster. Like I'm really not, but it's that movement that makes me feel like I am, it's that movement that makes me feel like I'm free.
Jessi: It's that movement that's like, oh, no one can tell me what to do. I don't have to just, I'm not a follower. I'm, I'm definitely an initiator, a leader. Like I just, yeah. I don't like to follow, and I think that feeling of holding, it's, to me, I can feel trapped. Mm-hmm. Like I am having. Follow someone or wait on someone, even if there is no one.
Jessi: Mm-hmm. It just feels that way. So I'll create some sort of like, movement, it's like side lateral movement, you know, to just try and like, feel like I'm alive again. You know? And, um, that that's a whole thing, you know? And I've had to face that of like, why can't I just be still Jess? Like, why can't you just hold it's and just, and, uh, rest.
Jessi: That's why I've been doing this whole month. It's just like, there's a lot of energy of people saying, you know, forward movement, all this stuff. I'm like, I'm just, I don't feel a direction at the moment, so I'm just gonna actually chill. And it's been such a weird feeling. So weird. So I think there's so much that comes forward in these places of tension that we're really faced with.
Jessi: Um, I don't wanna say they're like bad sides of us, they're just. I think it's the, the child side of us that, you know, is coming forward that it's like, oh, we experienced this as a child and didn't know what to do with it. Now it's coming back up again. So you could call it trauma, you could call it wounding, you can call whatever.
Jessi: Um, but these reactions that we have in response to, you know, childhood experiences, they come forward in those moments of tension and quiet and stillness and trap or block, whatever it feels like. Um, and it's, that's what makes it uncomfortable though. Cause then you're like, oh, I gotta face that and look at it and I don't wanna, but it's, it's tough, but it's good, you know?
Jessi: And like you said, you come out so much more aware of who you are and I just feel like you grow as a dimensional being from that experience.
Kyra: Absolutely. Yeah. I feel like it's, um, like my, I. Gaining progressively a wider field of vision every time that it happens. Mm-hmm. And then I can look back and think, well, I thought I knew all of these things, but I can see how narrow my perception was at that point.
Kyra: Um, and I think what you've talked about already a little bit is this idea that like, people will sort of look at, you know, you moved away, you did a thing, it didn't work out. You had to move to another place that will, will that work out? Maybe it won't, you know, and people will go like, well, why? Like, was it worth it?
Kyra: And potentially there are people listening who are thinking about making a move and they're like, well, what if I go and it sucks and something horrible happens, like happened to these people, right. Um, now granted of course we have like first world problems. There were, there are many worst things that could have happened to us, but I am extremely high maintenance.
Kyra: So there's that. Um, but I think the thing is like, There's no part of me that thinks that was a mistake. I wish I hadn't done that. Mm. The parts about Juniper suffering, I wish that we could have avoided that. At the same time, I understand that our job as parents, I understand from a logical perspective that our job as parents is not to prevent bad things from happening, but to be there while bad things happen, to help prepare them for when they're older and bad things are gonna happen, you know?
Kyra: And h how do you get through them and do you feel like supported and seen and understood? And I think there are many parts of that that I failed on during that experience. And there are many things that I would do differently. Those I regret, but I will not make that same mistake again. And potentially, you know, we learned those lessons when I had a little kid.
Kyra: And then when the big guns come at, you know, as a teenager, I'm that much more prepared to support a teenager, right? Yeah. So do I regret taking this leap of faith and having it turn out the way that it did? No, not at all. I see a hundred percent why that needed to happen, and so much growth came as a result.
Kyra: So if you're thinking, should I do this? What if it doesn't work out? There is no not working out. Like you win either way. You know, I read a Deepak Chopra quote recently that I'll, I'll butcher, but, or maybe I can I find it on my desktop here? I wonder because it was so perfect for this. Yeah, I can, it's right here.
Kyra: I'll pull it up. If you obsess over whether you're making the right decision, you're basically assuming that the universe will reward you for one thing and punish you for another. The universe has no fixed agenda. Once you make any decision, it works around that decision. There's no right or wrong, only a series of possibilities that shift with each thought, feeling, and action that you experience.
Jessi: Mm, it all leads to the same place. Yeah. I love that. That takes so much pressure off, so much pressure off, and I think that's where, where the pain is, is that you have to live this certain life that you're getting, those you're living. And if that is the voice in your head, then you are being dominated by other people's expectations.
Jessi: That's really what that is. Right? So it's, it's so huge to really evaluate yourself and say, I love what you were saying, of just, I'm setting my logical mind aside. And what you're doing is leaning into your body, which is, I really think what this next season of humanity is about is coming back to the body and just saying, okay, what's going on in here?
Jessi: This is what I can trust. Our mind is, is our mind can be captured so easily, whereas our body is always true. And if your body is saying, this is where I want you to go, regardless of whether it's logical, regardless of whether your mother-in-law agrees with it, your dad agrees with it, your sister thinks you're crazy, your friend's like, no, settle down with me.
Jessi: You just let all that go and you just see it in its most pure form. And I agree with you. I wouldn't take back anything that happened to us. In fact, I'm like, it's actually all turned out for good. We have this incredible asset now we have like a million dollar with home. I never thought we would have that.
Jessi: Just chilling. We're renting it out. We have incredible renters. Like everything actually turned out in a really beautiful way. And I'm still getting to live by the coast. Like what? You know, like, yeah, it was crazy. But if you had told me, you know, like three years ago that we would have an incredible investment property and we'd be living by the coast in this beautiful, really exclusive city.
Jessi: I would've been like, nah, you're baloney. There's no way that's gonna happen, but here I am. And so it always, it always works out. Um, and I think that's the biggest, biggest lesson is to just trust that as you're moving forward, things will fall in line. Even if they feel crazy in the moment, trust that it will work out and it, and you'll look back and see all the blessings that came forward through it.
Jessi: So I guess my last question for you is, I really think gratitude and thankfulness for where you are, even in the min in those moments of tension and frustration are so key. And I know you're big on that too. How do you really lean into that? What do you do to bring forward those, um, not fake positivity, but just honest, genuine gratitude in hard moments?
Jessi: Yeah. I think for
Kyra: me, I think gratitude isn't my thing. Which I know is a controversial opinion. And the reason for that being I think myself, um, there's probably a lot of people out there that are like me. Maybe I'm alone in this, I don't know. Mm-hmm. If you were raised in like a hyper religious environment mm-hmm.
Kyra: Um, there's kind of this thing that you're with, like I was, which, um, you're raised with this idea that like, you are a re you are a sinner, you are worthless, but this person died for your sins. And so you should feel grateful all the time just for every breath you take because you are a worthless loser.
Kyra: And so gratitude becomes very problematic because every time I hear about gratitude, I think I should, I have to be grateful for every little thing that I have because I don't deserve any of it. That's where gratitude sits for me. Mm. The other place that gratitude sits for me because of some early trauma is, If I'm not grateful for something enough, it'll be taken away and I'll regret the moments where I wasn't grateful for it.
Kyra: So for me, gratitude is really charged. Hmm. And I think people don't talk about that a lot because gratitude is, is often treated as this silver bullet. And it is, for many people, like Oprah says that it works. You know? So we can just leave that there, right? If Oprah thinks so. I am positive that it works, um, but for me it doesn't.
Kyra: So what I need to do instead of gratitude is I come to a place of just, uh, acceptance and noticing the present and, um, S again, Martha Beck says se sense, drenching, I think she calls it. So just like being in the moment and even looking at the, you know, tricky feelings that you're having or the situation that you're in and just being there with it.
Kyra: I feel like that's, that's the juicy part for me. If I try to jump ahead to a secondary, it is for me, a secondary emotion, gratitude. Um, it takes me out of where I need to be. Hmm, that's a
Jessi: beautiful point. Yeah.
Kyra: Yeah. I think it can be challenging for some people. So I, I think I, I said in a post before, like acceptance or present moment awareness is the new gratitude.
Kyra: You know, you don't need to feel grateful for it. You can just sort of like be in it. And that's, that's. And one last thing that I I, I'd like to circle back to just quickly before we say goodbye as well, is the, you were saying people coming back to their body. And I think anyone who's thinking about a move right now, what I, one piece of advice that I would give is that I feel like the place that we moved to that didn't work out, that was a logical decision that we made.
Kyra: It didn't sound logical at the time, but it was my brain going like, I found a school. I know this place because I had a cottage here growing up. It's only this many minutes away from the city, et cetera, et cetera. This makes sense. And so we moved there and by contrast, I didn't even think that it was a possibility in my life for me to live near the ocean.
Kyra: Like it never occurred to me. I would visit the ocean and be like, I love it so much, but there was no part of me that was like, oh, you could just move there. You know? Like you could just live there. So it felt indulgent and felt like wild to be like, I don't know anyone on this island. I don't, I I have no idea where we would live.
Kyra: I don't know anything about this place. Like I, I literally had never even been to the city that we moved to before we moved here. But it is such a perfect match because I was listening to my body be like, Hmm, that, that's, so if you're trying to, if you have this urge, this restless feeling, like, I wanna go, I wanna have an adventure, I wanna experience something, listen to what your body's telling you to do about it.
Kyra: Don't listen to the mind trying to put it into a neat little box and figure out what it thinks it needs to be.
Jessi: Boom. That is the conclusion to everything. Yeah. That's it. That's absolutely it. You can have the adventure, you can have the dream, the I idol, idealistic, like, don't give up on that. That's actually a big part of being sensitive in this world is that we bring the dreams, you know, we bring the vision and uh, the beauty to this world.
Jessi: And so we can't, the solution isn't to leave that. The solution is to trust the body over the mind. Yeah. Oh, so good. Or I could talk to you like all day. I
Kyra: know, I know. It's a problem. We need four more episodes.
Jessi: Oh no. Thank you for sharing your story, and I am really looking forward to your memoir. I can't wait for that to come out whenever, whenever it does.
Jessi: Um, and for those listening we've mentioned the article that she wrote, it's really beautiful. She has some really great, helpful takeaways too. So again, we'll link that in the show notes below. Um, and I highly recommend following Kyra on her Instagram. She is just, as you can tell, her word choice is just incredible.
Jessi: You're such an amazing writer. I just, every time you write something, I'm like, oh, it's so good. Uh, so you have to follow her. It's, it's gonna give you life. Uh, so thank you so much for your time today, Kyra. I am sending you love and energy and inspiration and excitement about your next season and about your current season, too.
Kyra: Same to you. Thank you so much for having me back. This was just a delight to talk to you again.
Jessi: My pleasure.
Jessi: Hey there. Before you go, let me ask you two quick questions. Are you honoring your natural sensitivity with your current choices? Are you feeling like your healthiest, most authentic self and body? If you answered no to one or both of those questions, I highly recommend trying out my method. It'll get you started. Or you're welcome to work with me one-on-one if you need to address Deeper health imbalances. If you loved this episode, please leave us a review or share it with someone you care about. Your support means the world to us and keeps us going. We wish you all the love and care. À votre santé, my friend.
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